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As far as aircraft being too simplified (ie - taildraggers vs. nosewheels)... I remember reading an old article (year 1920?) about (then) 'modern' cars with centrifugal advance mechanisms that were taking too much control away from real drivers who used manual spark advance.

I can't imagine anyone today arguing that mastering an advance lever makes one a better driver.

It's probably a natural hubris for each generation to feel that all of their old, hard-won skills are still relevant and that today's young whippersnappers are missing out.

I know I feel that way about my computer skills. But I can't honestly say that my 25-year-old knowledge of an Apple ][ makes a difference today. Just like the working knowledge of vacuum tubes and magnetic-core memory wasn't relevant to me then. There are techs coming on-line today who have never used a computer with less than 64megs of memory (heck, their cell-phones have more memory than my first computer). Yet some are as good as, or better than, me.

The difference is not their history, it's their (and my) analytical skills. The superior techs have superior diagnostic abilities. The average techs don't. And playing with old hardware won't always level the field.

The point? It's not what was learned, but who is learning.

The same is true of airplanes - Richard Bach argued that those who didn't fly open-cockpit biplanes, who stayed within enclosed cockpits and listened for a stall-warning horn rather than the wind in the wires, were sorely lacking. I guess that makes ultra-light flyers the best pilots of all.

Pick radios, for example. It must have been frustrating to have struggled so hard to master the four-course radio range, to tweak a 'coffee-grinder' radio just so to discern the A's and N's from the background static, only to have some newbie come along with a VOR, turn a knob, and fly a more accurate course ("Damn young brats! They have no idea what REAL navigation is!"). Kind of makes all that hard work seem like a waste of time....

For myself, I prefer Wayne Westerman's approach - each new advance is welcomed with open arms. The prior knowledge is not a waste, but rather a source of appreciation for how much easier a GPS is over a VOR (or ADF, or four-course range...). Of how much easier nosewheels are to land than taildraggers, or how more reliable engines have become, or easier to start with electrics vs flywheels and hand-props... and the list could go on and on.

The same is true in my other passion of skydiving. I once jumped a round parachute from a DC-3, just like the days of old. Later that day I ran into Lew Sanborn. He is the original skydiver, license number ONE! (Mine is 21550...). Been jumping everything for 50+ years. I figured if anyone would wax nostalgic and appreciate my round jump, it would be him. Instead he cuffed me on the shoulder and berated me - "Jumped a round?!? What the hell did you do that for? Once the square canopies were invented I never jumped a round again! I wouldn't be jumping today - my knees couldn't take it!"

I don't think things are getting dumber - they're just getting better!


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Tail dragger vs. tricycle gear is not exactly the same as old fashioned vs modern. If all I ever flew off of was pavement, a tricycle gear airplane would be perfect. If I wanted to regularly visit some rough, back country strips, I'd probably want a taildragger. You use the tool to fit the job and tail draggers will always be around to fill a niche. The fact that TDs require specific training and increased insurance costs probably reflect their use as bush planes as well as their increased requirement for finesse on takeoff and landing. A TD checkout is definitely on my short list of things to do.


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I don't think things are getting dumber - they're just getting better! "

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You have a point Kirk.

When I first got my instrument rating it was flying the radio range and we had to know how to read morse code.

I morphed through the industry and finished my training on the Airbus fly by wire computer technology...

Sure glass is wonderful and GPS and RNS laser driven gyros are awsome for reliability and accuracy...but..

I can't think of anything in aviation more boring than typing into a FMS and changing frequencies on the radios and transponder while watching a computer fly the airplane.

Autoland is accurate and reliable but you are not a pilot, you are a systems manager.

Even though we agree that things move on and technology makes life more comfortable you can't really beat flying an old bi plane off a grass field on a warm summer morning...of all the flying I did nothing comes close to those years long ago flying a Stearman in the tobacco fields of southern Ontario.

More and more home builders are choosing tail wheel airplanes so I am not alone...


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Even though we agree that things move on and technology makes life more comfortable you can't really beat flying an old bi plane off a grass field on a warm summer morning...

Well, that's true. I guess I should have added that the "Fun" factor is definitely important. Otherwise, why else would I own a gas-guzzling, carburetted, mechanical-everything, non-electronic-anything, '68 Buick Skylark convertible? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Ok Ive been reading through this forum its actually got quite interesting and again applogise as I thought about it more your right it should be free, I hope you guys arnt still mad at me and I will be able to post and get the same curitosy replies is I use to. Without you guys Id be lost!!! Well will leave it at that... Jared

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I can't imagine anyone today arguing that mastering an advance lever makes one a better driver.

It's probably a natural hubris for each generation to feel that all of their old, hard-won skills are still relevant and that today's young whippersnappers are missing out.


You betcha'. I'm really gonna miss getting rocked by turbulence on those NDB approaches to minimums. Enjoy 'em while you still can.

Time to finish up the FADEC installation in Speedbirds' trusty O-200.

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And yeh, I missunderstood who's airplane George was describing, sorry about that George, the typed word is sometimes easily missread.


OK, Chuck. Appology accepted.

Geo.


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Seems people are still reading this thread so thought I would post one of the short stories I am writing about flying to maybe finish a book someday.

Kirk made some real good points about technology and navigation aids, so here is a true story about how we navigated before GPS.

Once again I am guilty of straying from Cessna 150's but what the hell, flying is flying..

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Arcturus, Missing Hours and Fate - By Chuck Ellsworth

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Finally after over a week of just plain tough flying weather the stars came out and we would depart Johnston Point on Banks Island for what should be an easy flight. This flight would turn out to be remembered forever as one of the closest calls I have ever had in almost fifty years of flying. The year was 1975, late February. We were flying supplies to a cat train that was shooting seismic lines for oil exploration on Banks Island in the high Arctic.

Johnson Point, an oil exploration base camp with a paved runway, was the main airport for supplying the western Arctic. In these very high latitudes winter means total darkness for months and navigating in that very hostile environment is difficult at the best of times. We had just gotten our first twin otter equipped with a new navigation aid called Global Navigation System. G.N.S. was based on very low power radio transmitters located in various parts of the world. In order for the computer to be able to navigate it had to acquire at least three G.N.S. transmitters.

Latitude and longitude had to be entered, for both our departure and destination points, in the computer. This entry was done with little wheels to select the numbers and other information for each trip. A further limiting factor with G.N.S. was that we had to have accurate positions or the computer to navigate to wherever we set it. Cat trains are always on the move, consequently requiring a navigator with each train to take celestial shots whenever he could to accurately keep track of their new location.

Once the G.N.S. stations were acquired and the trip was set up it was so accurate we could fly several hundred miles and then return to our parking ramp at the airport without a hitch. To us G.N.S. was like having died and gone to heaven. Being able to navigate so accurately in the high Arctic, where the magnetic compass always points strait down, was a "god send". This particular trip to the seismic train was uneventful with no cloud cover at all just the stars from horizon to horizon. After the last week of flying all our trips from takeoff to landing on solid instruments while relying on two radar altimeters one in front of each pilot for our landing decision height this one had been easy. The only visibility restriction we had was the complete loss of forward visibility in the snow which blew up when we went into reverse to stop on the short runway, which had been ploughed for us, on the ice.

Sometimes these strips were not much over 1000 feet long due to the location of the cat train at that time therefore, reverse was a necessity to stop before we ran off the landing strip. With clear weather and no rush to get back to Johnson Point we went to the cookhouse, had a leisurely meal, listened to the tape recorder playing music such as North to Alaska, which we of course changed to South to Alaska. Finally, off to the airplane we went where we decided to hell with waiting to reset the G.N.S. Instead, with such a clear night, we would fly back to home base using the astro compass. After lighting up the two P.T.6's we taxied back to the runway and lined up with the flare pots. We got the almanac out and shot Arcturus. It is one of the easiest stars to identify and shoot due to its position and brightness in the sky. Arcturus is the first bright star out from the handle of the Big Dipper. We read our heading on the astro compass, set our direction indicators (gyros) and off we went for Johnston Point. Once leveled off in cruise there was nothing but the sound of the engines and the big canopy of stars that ended in a faint white blur which was the endless Arctic snow just barley visible below us in the faint starlight.

Sitting in the warm cockpit with only the sound of those dependable turbine engines and no sense of movement through the dark night I slowly became aware that something was wrong but could not quite figure out what it was. I remember asking the co-pilot to see if Johnson Point was showing up on the A.D.F. After a few minutes he had no luck, now I came wide awake and said, "This doesn't look right. Let's get another shot on Arcturus.". Once more I gave him the time and he read the almanac to set the astro compass. Again there was no change in our D.I. settings. All of a sudden a possibility came to me and I asked him what time he had. When he read his watch we both knew we were really in trouble as there was almost three hours difference between our watches. I will never forget the feeling of real fear when I realized that we had departed the cat train with a D.I. setting that was almost forty-five degrees in error.

The sudden realization of just how serious our position was made it very difficult to convert the position of the stars versus what I figured they should look like. Now there was no doubt, in my mind, we were far off our track for Johnston Point, so far in fact I knew we might never be found.

Time was now critical. We had to decide which watch was right. Making a quick position guess based on nothing but the time we had flown on this heading and instinct we turned ninety degrees to the right starting a slow cruise climb for better fuel burn. All we could do now was wait and hope.

In this part of the high Arctic, at night, there is absolutely nothing but endless white, to try to recognize any feature below you is hopeless. Now both of us were really worried, questions and doubts started. Whose watch was set wrong? Had we turned the right way? Why had we not noted the runway heading after landing? Why had we not written the heading down so as to be able to confirm our star shot? Why did we not check both of our watches, especially in that the clock in the airplane did not work which in these temperatures was normal? Radio reception was so poor we could not raise anyone on H.F. or V.H.F. then all of a sudden the A.D.F. came alive and there was the Johnston Point N.D.B. strait ahead. Soon we could see the lights of our destination on the horizon. For some time I had been quite concerned about our fuel state. Seeing the lights in the distance was just to good to be true. However, to be on the safe side we stayed at eleven thousand until we could definitely make the airport as distances can be so deceiving at night in the high Arctic.

Descending through one thousand feet the low fuel light came on telling us we had eleven minutes of fuel left in the front tank. I really don't remember how much fuel remained in the rear tank. Of course, how much fuel there was in the rear tank is now a mute point. It really doesn't matter, because like in Earnest Gann's great book "Fate is the Hunter", that night so many years ago the hunter did not find my young co-pilot, whose name I cannot even recall, and me. Had we turned left instead of right we would have been so far off course it is possible no one would have ever found the airplane or us in those millions of square miles of ice and snow. After landing and going into the Atco Huts, that were our accommodations, we finally found out it was my watch that was wrong. To this day I do not really know why I chose to make the decision it was my watch, even stranger the damn thing worked just fine after this what should have been an uneventful trip.

That just leaves fate as the best explanation for my decision to turn right that night. Isn't it strange how words like Arcturus, Missing Hours and Fate can have such chilling meaning when flying airplanes?


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More and more home builders are choosing tail wheel airplanes so I am not alone...

Actually, its easier to construct, easier to engineer, and cheaper, and yes COOL! I suspect that, on a conscious level COOL is a major factor, but on a sub-conscious level, I suspect that easier and cheaper are major factors.

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Excellent discussion Kirk, well put.

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