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When I got the FAA CD on the airplane there was not a clear paper work trail. I don't know if the Canadian records ever find their way into the FAA data base or not. Plus, the seller plead ignorance of the airplane's history. I never even saw the airplane so I don't know if the work was shoddy or not."

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Where did I plead ignorance to the quality of work on the Aerobat that I have for sale George?


If you go back and read my posts you will find that I personally did the conversion and the airplane has been signed out and meets the standards under the regulations in Canada and the USA.

I read your background and note you have been in the business for fifty years and are conversant with aircraft maintenance.

Well I also have been in the business for fifty three years and my business is restoring, repairing and flying Warbirds and we get all our business by referral and the last thing I would do is screw somewone on something as basic as a Cessna 150.

If you read my posts you will find that I also stated that I personally did the conversion and am just a little annoyed that you would suggest that the airplane is not as I advertised it. I bought the airplane for my flight school eight years ago and the airplane has been operated under Transport Canada Commercial catagory maintenance schedules during this period.

When I bought the airplane the Canadian log book records started in Canada on Sept. 10/1988.

I was not to concerned about the previous log book records because I was satisfied that all the components such as airframe and engine and instruments etc. met the specifications for the AC type and if there had been previous damage prior to 1988 any components that may have been replaced met the airworthiness standards.

Anyhow when I came to this board I did so to get advice from Cessna 150 owners and have openly stated that I am not sure of what this airplane is worth on the market today, the area of aviation in which I work is quite different from the basic trainer aircraft such as the Cessna 150 and unfortunately I have kind of lost track of the worth of a Cessna 150.

I hope you were not suggesting that I came here to screw someone on the sale of a Cessna 150, because we burn more fuel in a season flying warbirds than the Cessna 150 is worth.

To the rest of you here thanks for all the suggestions , I think I will find another site where I can relate to people.

P.S. George, anyone who is really interested in buying my Aerobat has the option of getting an independant survey of the airplane and its records.

Chuck E.

George was talking about a different airplane.

Sounds like a great idea, Mr. Ellsworth. When you join in with a group of people, solicit their advice to a problem that you have, you set yourself to receive a certain amount of information that you may not like.

When you get it, don't start slinging accusations and inuendo's at the people from whom you've requested the advice. We can find thousands of arrogant pricks all over the world, and we definitely do not need them here.

So, Mr. Ellsworth, you go burn all the damn gas you want to in your warbirds and leave us alone. Do me a favor and take all of your hot air with you.

If you argue with an idiot, bystanders sometimes can't tell who's who after a little bit. You are where you are because of your attitude. Enjoy your position in life.

Sincerely,

WOW! Did this come from the happy go lucky, all around good guy, pilot that we all have come to know and love?

Gary, please? Don't dignify Mr. Ellsworth's tirade by also lowering yourself to his level. Obviously Mr. Ellsworth has poor manners, elevated sense of self worth, and lack of respect for others. You are by far better then that, my friend!

Gary,
Whoa there big fella, let's not get all hot and bothered and start exiling members whether they've just soloed or have 53 years of piloting in their log. I can see where Chuck might take offense at the implication (intended or otherwise) that his aircraft is anything but up to snuff. I would hope that was not the intention. We've all heard stories about less than honest sellers and the need to get a thorough pre-buy whether they're in San Diego or Toronto. Chuck, I'd take a look at TAP and see what prices are being asked for TDs and Aerobats to get a feel for the market. Good luck on the sale and I for one hope you continue to contribute to the forums. Everyone else, chill out.

Sorry to have bothered all you good folks here.

We all make mistakes and continuing to try and rectify this one will probably only get me further in your dislike arena.

So you can all heave a sigh of relief as I sure don't belong in this group.

Chuck E.

Thanks for the kind words Gary.

I did not come here to cause bad feelings, however being called a prick and arrogant etc is not what I had hoped to find in this group, so I won't upset your friends by remaining a contributing member.

Chuck E.

Mr. Ellsworth,

Somehow it went from us welcoming you with open arms ("New Here" post, dated 7/14/06) to a lot of friction between you and the group in less than a month. I guess we must be the wrong group for you.

Chill out, Chuck! Sheeze!!

Not so quick of the trigger, for God sake!

I wasn't referring to your airplane, I was referring to another one that had been in Canada.

Geo.

After reading through this thread, I'm reminded of the difference between "real conflict" and "internet conflict".

Like many forums, this one is like a familiar member's hangout where we are all free to say whatever we like, but when controversy erupts, it has the potential to get more personal than it probably would in real life, because we aren't actually face to face.

I always feel pained when these things blow up. I've been a participant from time to time myself in quick and sharp replies to perceived attacks, and later wished I had been more careful about my choice of words. It sure is easy to misunderstand another persons intent, and even if their intention was less than noble, it's impossible to read their "tone" which is often far less threatening than it seems in text.

The thing is, since these aren't real face to face confrontations, one would hope we can all see them as less "real", less serious, and less meaningful.

If you've ever participated in the Yahoo forum, you know that this sort of angry mudslinging/flaming goes on all the time there. I've gotten into at least two angry exchanges with people in the Yahoo forum over the years, and later met both the parties in question, expecting them to be "Jerks" but found to my surprise that they were good and likeable guys, whom I now consider friends. Go figure.