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Keith_Kessler #74923 01/09/07 09:36 PM
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It took me a 6 months to get what I wanted, I think your budget is realistic. If you want resale value you should look for one with low time AF mid time engine and nice P&I. Reconditioned radios are cheaper than Imron. Nice planes seem to be on the market a long time if they need paint
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Often it?s about where/when you are willing to spend. Shop, shop, shop.
i.e. a low time engine with outdated avionics may have final cost that? not far from the inverse. Don?t under estimate the total cost of avionics.

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23K is about what I paid for mine 2 years ago when the market was higher than it seems now (don't really know that for sure-just based on anecdote). My plane had a little over 6K airframe and 1400 smoh on the engine with avionics very camparable to what is on the one you're looking at. It had about a five year old paint job (in very decent shape) and pretty crummy seats which I've since redone and put on a Sensenich prop.


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Harry_Muller #74926 01/12/07 03:21 AM
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Hey folks...my first post here -- Looking to get a 150 myself in the next little while.

Looking at the C150s in Canada, they range from $17,000 to $30,000.

I'm not sure why you'd pay $17,000 for a 150 that needs a $15,000 engine and an $8500 paint job.

The better values appear to be the aircraft that are already "done".

Many of the low time engines were last cracked open more then 20 years ago...so these engines (according to this forum) are pretty much toast.


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Rob DettaColli #74927 01/12/07 05:52 PM
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Many of the low time engines were last cracked open more then 20 years ago...so these engines (according to this forum) are pretty much toast.


There are those on the forum that agree with you 100%. They would never consider an engine that hasn't been opened within recommended intervals, regardless of apparent condition. As an experienced mechanic, I'm a little more subjective than that.

Of more importance is how often the engine is/was flown during that extended period. Consider that an engine that is religiously flown for one hour once a week since new/overhaul for 20 years has accumalated only 1,040 hours TSN/TSOH over that extended period! This engine is very likely in better shape corrosion and reliability wise than a zero time engine that was factory overhauled and then hung on the airplane and left sitting dormant for two years! I would not disturb the properly operating 20 year old overhaul, but the 2 year old zero TSOH engine may require corrosion repair! Age alone does not ruin an engine, although it may indicate a need to closely inspect seals and gaskets, etc., which can dry out and become brittle. Most "soft" parts can be replaced successfully and inexpensively without overhaul. To the casual buyer, age is a concern, but it doesn't mean that all such engines are bad news. It does mean it will take considerably more than a leakdown check to determine the condition of an engine which has remained dormant for an extended period. A properly preserved and dehydrated engine can remain pristine indefinately with proper maintenance, but this is unfortunately rare. Still, a good number of engines are reliably flying today after years of inactivity with little more than an oil change required for continued operation. At a minimum, a suspect engine should be borescoped internally for corrosion and sludge; seals, gaskets, and hoses inspected for condition; the carburetor and gascolator removed and internally inspected for corrosion from standing water, etc., aircraft fuel system drained and flushed, .... you get the idea. Chances are that the need for overhaul or repair will be discovered during the process, but sometimes a real gem can be had at a steeply reduced price when you know what to look for! Detailed indepth pre-buy or annual inspections are paramount when considering purchase of a stagnant airplane. Sometimes a deeply discounted purchase price will allow economical rebuild of a "project" airplane.

While I agree that the odds are good that any engine that hasn't been flown regularly or recently may have hidden corrosion and other problems, each engine and it's history should be examined on it's own merits. Regardless of where, when, and how an engine was overhauled, or TSOH, you're buying a "pig in a poke" in every case until it's been thoroughly inspected and performance and reliability proven.

I have not covered all of the bases here! This is not a recommendation! Just food for thought!

Carl Chitwood #74928 01/12/07 06:08 PM
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Fantastic Carl...I never thought about that.

This might explain some of the huge pricing variations I've tried to identify in the C150 marketplace.


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Keith_Kessler #74929 01/12/07 11:11 PM
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Key words in your first posting "fly inexpensively". Maybe so or maybe not. Nothing in this business is inexpensive for us guys who are not AP or avionics wizards. And, unless you are a lucky guy on this one, you might be looking at a bunch of shop time.

The subject airplane looks nice, the avionics (if operative) look great, but the airframe time is on the excessive side as well as the engine time. It was obviouly a trainer for a long time.

I think you can do better. I bought one and it is perfect after I put a ton of cash into her and her frame and engine numbers were a third of this one at purchase. I paid less at closing, but a bunch afterwards. It depends on how anal you are about your plane. A great tendency after purchase is to clean it up and mod it out (at least is was for me). I have reformed a bit since there are no more mods available. Everyone is different about this.

I suggest you look around for a 150/152 from a Club member who will let you study the logs and have her examined by a third party. Buy close to home so you and your friends can visit. Insist on an annual by someone other than the owner. If the owner ever says "...let me be honest with you..." in any form of conversation, walk away.

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